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It never has.

telling people that theyre venting and dealing with their problems in the wrong way wont stop any of these and why is cis in all caps

i didn’t notice the cis thing lol but telling someone they’re wrong doesn’t seem to be a thing anyone on this site is afraid of doing and i know people do learn from it fuck i came on this site because porn and now i can barely stomach it because of all the feminism i’ve learned by accident so maybe me reblogging this will help spread its meaning  and reiterate what should be common sense and maybe stop the cycle of hate before this entire website ends up in a trash overrun by social justice warriors or whatever the term is and everyone with any guile left fleeing to a different site.

this type of thinking, “i hate u cuz u hate me” is toxic and counterproductive and spiteful and useless. stop. please.

That kind of erases the fact that all the people called out in the images above have the right to be upset because they are CONSTANTLY shamed, negated, abused, marginalized, bad-mouthed, insulted and otherwise made to feel bad simply for being themselves.

The whole “hate won’t make it better” thing is yet another way of telling those ostracized groups to shut up. To make way for the cishet, white, skinny, able and very likely more affluent who have had the lifelong privilege of being able to silence and ignore those who are not them.

There’s enough of that nonsense all over this world. How about you spend some time to listen, learn, and become a better person from it?

BTW posting or reblogging shit like this is also “spreading the hate”. But, because it is hating the people who aren’t ‘acceptable’ (cishet white able) that makes it okay?

I can see why you lost followers, now. You flat-out told them that you hate them. You also flat-out told me that you hate me. I’m one of the people you just told to shut up, go away, and stop bothering you in your little privileged paradise. And if that factlet hurts… Maybe you should learn why.

I didn’t say I hated anyone tho? I think its childish behavior on all sides.

I’m fat pan female and part native american and i am engaged to a trans bi autistic part native american.

That doesn’t make it ok for me to hate all skinny male white people.

Should I make a blog devoted to hating people who aren’t me to fit in on this site.

That is stupid

The logic is flawed

Make peace not war is all I’m saying.

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I’m confused. How is telling someone “hate is counterproductive” the equivalent of telling them to shut up? Quite the contrary I find. Hate is a waste of energy to begin with and it achieves nothing besides generating more hate. We should not fight fire with fire because the flames will never go out that way. Fight it with the water of wisdom and peace instead. Bigotry originates from ignorance. Educate people and they’ll know better.

I’ll put it into perspective. One could say “I hate you because you are cis and male and therefore deserve to die”. Take out “cis” and “male”. We’re left with “I hate you because you are ____ and _____ and deserve to die”. Now, please do educate me here. How is that phrase any better or worse irrespective of which terms you use? How is that phrase helping anyone’s cause? I certainly can’t see the use behind it.

It shouldn’t matter whether you’re cis, trans, straight, gay, white, black or a little yellow duck bobbing along in the Thames. You just shouldn’t hate people. You shouldn’t be spreading intolerance for the sake of tolerance. Don’t perpetuate the thing you’re fighting and by the tiny gods of squishiness please don’t victimise yourself over it all. You’re doing yourself no favours. Just be a nice person. That’s all you have to do. Why is this so hard for people to wrap their heads around?

What matters is the privilege.

Straight, white, cis, male and able are the default. The accepted. The “normal”. [I hate that word. “Normal”. There is no such thing as “normal”] That fact is evident in the sheer number of slurs available for everyone who is not in that privileged combo. Or even missing a part of that privileged combo.

I shan’t repeat any of them here. They’re all horrible.

Society as it exists rewards the straight, white, cis, abled male for being a straight, white, cis, abled male. It rewards him constantly.

Except in places like Tumblr, which give all the others a voice to express themselves. Which lets people say things in pain which will not be pleasant for anyone in a privileged group to hear.

And the fact that just allowing those without a voice to speak their mind is painful to said privileged and those who side with him… is a reason to tell those who never had a voice before that they’re not allowed to speak because it’s “spreading the hate”? NO!

I can’t stand for that idea. I won’t.

Let the privileged have the 99 point whatever percent of all the other media. Let’s have a community where venting is acceptable and people are allowed to comfort other people when they’re hurt… No matter if one of those has privilege over another.

Can’t we just say, “I’m sorry you were hurt” when someone vents?

Can we accept that everyone has the right to be hurt without saying “not all X are like that” when some members of X have hurt someone?

Can we accept that some of us have privilege over others and it’s high time that the less privileged are allowed to speak?

Can’t we swap hugs instead of messages that say “hating X won’t stop Y”?

Can’t we stand up and say, “now hang on a sec,” when someone repeats a message meant to silence people who barely have a voice?

I know I want to.

Calling out misogynists is not hating men.

Calling out transphobics is not hating cisfolk.

Calling out body shaming is not hating any other body.

Calling out racism is not hating white people.

Calling out homophobia is not hating heterosexuality.

Telling anyone calling out that shit to “stop spreading hate” is the kind of mealy-mouthed do-nothing slacktivism I’d like to see less of.

And I’ll gladly wear my wrists out on that kind of thing any given day.

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You missed my point entirely. Did you not read what I said at all? I said hate is wrong. I didn’t say advocating equality was wrong. It doesn’t matter who hate comes from. It’s still hate. And hate never achieves anything good in this world. Although it greatly matters who it targets. Hatred should never be the response. Standing up for yourself, yes, that is absolutely justified. I encourage that having been bullied simply because I was a quiet girl from a poor background who had a gay friend since the age of 6.  What I didn’t do was say all straight males deserved to die even if they genuinely were the majority of people ragging on me day in day out. What I did instead was advocate better understanding of sexualities and the need for gender equality across the board. I want society to get to a point where sexuality and gender are no bigger deals than eye colour, say. Is that such a bad thing?

Deep down we’re all human (well, maybe not me, I’m secretly a giant lizard with opposable thumbs) and wisdom is a far better thing to express than hate in every sphere.

Yes call out hate. Yes advocate the end of hatred. But you will never end hatred by flinging it at every person who disagrees with you. I’m a huge supporter of gender equality and the rights of those who hold a wide spectrum of sexualities. I have been from an early age and I will willingly fight tooth nail and claw to see the accepting society I want to be in if not during my lifetime but for the generations to follow. What I am not a supporter of though is hatred. If someone is an asshole, I will treat them like an asshole. I really do not care if that asshole is bisexual or a giant lizard. They’re still an asshole to me and I will dislike them for being an asshole instead of going out of my way to say all bisexual giant lizards are assholes because I happened to encounter an asshole who was a bisexual giant lizard.

1) Thank you for clearing that up.

2) a moment of appreciation for the fight we seem to be having over who agrees with ‘spreading the love’ more.

3) I’m legit crying.

Maybe I’m a bit sensitive about emotional pain. Especially about emotional pain in others. Maybe it’s because I keep seeing a message that I interpret as “shut up and go away if you’re not a white able cis male” on top of every reply post.

I’m not able. I’m not male. My bizarre and twisted theology belongs only to me, I’m sure. And that’s one of the reasons why I don’t throw it down people’s throats.

The message behind “hate won’t end hate” is actually “lashing out in pain against the socially accepted norm is reason for me to hate you more”.

Let’s have more hugs and cute baby animals, please.

More “spread the love”. More sympathy for people lashing out in pain because they are in pain. And that’s what matters.